china and russia and india continue to trade with this regime. it's had limited effects. now, there's talk of whether there's time to repraise it and perhaps it's the beginning of a channel or dialogue opening up. he managed to meet the man in charge. it's significant they allowed him to meet her. >> all right. we appreciate you hopping on the horn with us. we'll check in with you, again. jim webb is not on a official state department mission. he serves on a subcommittee. still, he's a high ranking u.s. official. he did get the white house blessing to go on this trip, even though he is not going for the president or the state department. it was breaking news here, betty. this american, this saga, a weird saga that started in may. >> he's on a mission from god to save her. i think something dan said that was important, he's facing a lot of ill bszs, physical illnesses. he had several siezures while waiting for the trial to end. perhaps it was part of the whole grand scheme. imagine what would have happened if he had to serve seven years in a hard labor camp. again, senator